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P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible
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Posted 11/13/2019 8:40 PM
W5YK
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

NHDave - I think the Comand is not needed for anything. I took mine out years ago with no affect.

Karl - this must be very frustrating. I can't think of anything. I am going to read all your info again and think about it. I spent a lot of time on TC motor problems, maybe it will come back to my old brain as I study it.
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Posted 11/18/2019 6:38 PM
4x4abc



Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
Vehicle(s): 02 G500
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Here is what I am thinking
the position sensor sits inside the shift motor case
when moved into LOW and driving in LOW the sensor contacts stay together
when moved to HI and still neutral the sensor contacts are together and the "H" is lit in the cluster
as soon as torque is applied (shifted into D) the sensor contacts open - then driving conditions are not fulfilled
mechanically the gear engagement inside the TX is sufficient (indicated by the fact that the G can be driven)
but under torque the gears have moved slightly and thus moved the shift fork with it, disrupting the position contact
used or slightly damaged gears sometimes change position when under torque
we know that all too well from diff lock teeth moving and bending the actuator pin
so, I see the solution inside the transfer case High range gear mesh
could be just a worn main shaft bearing



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Posted 11/20/2019 12:02 AM
AlanMcR
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Are you sure that there are any open/close contacts?  These things usually operate by running the motor until the mechanism stalls, then backing off a bit.  The resistance sensor shown just gives a relative position once the end points have been established.  It could be that the carbon track is damaged.  My EGR lift sensor was of a similar design and the track wore through in places, throwing the engine into limp-mode.


Edited by AlanMcR 11/20/2019 12:12 AM
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Posted 11/20/2019 10:44 PM
4x4abc



Date registered: Apr 2006
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

I am certain the direction sensor is inside the shift motor
the shift motor has 6 electrical connector pins
a bit much for 12V
some must be tied to the sensor
how about a wiring diagram?



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Posted 11/20/2019 11:55 PM
4x4abc



Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

BMW X3 is using the same motor and it can cause weird electrical malfunctions
https://www.motor-talk.de/forum/verstellmotor-am-verteilergetriebe-t...
haven't found a wiring plan yet

however, I have followed several German forum threads about teeth damage in the TX shifter mechanism
I still think, worn teeth under torque can have an influence on the direction sensor
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Posted 4/29/2020 3:29 PM
fernweh



Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany
Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

This was part of my post from 09/09/2019:

My friend Thomas and I are baffled by the following scenario:

His 2006 G400 with over 300K Km broke down with a serious transmission (722.6) problem. He ordered a new built one in Germany, specific built for his G400 Diesel.

After a few month the tranny arrived here in La Paz, BCS, Mexico.
We both remove the old one, and installed the new built one, complete with new torque converter, new oil cooler and cleaned out oil lines.
He filled the correct ATF fluid per specs.
After start up, his G-wagen moved forward and backwards again, BUT:

When VG in "H", only in the second gear, with no up- or down shifting.
When VG in "L", shifting through all gears, but shift point around 4000 rpm.

The DAS shows no transmission errors, and not being in emergency limp-mode.

The DAS shows VG error code: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

 

Update:  The German Expert Transmission Rebuilder, recommended to change out the transfer case.

 Thomas, not knowing better, purchased a new/ebuild TC from this guy, and after few months to get it into Mexico, he did install that "new" TC.

 All the TC error codes disappeared, and the TC shifted now correctly.

 BUT the expertly rebuilt 722.638 transmission would still not shift.

 Next thing, we did a driving test with the Xentry Diagnose System in the vehicle, and as you can see on the attached photo: NO output shaft rpm data!





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Posted 4/29/2020 3:47 PM
fernweh



Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany
Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

The next step in this saga:

Thomas ordered a new transmission output shaft sensor, from the MB dealer here in La Paz, Mexico.

Again it took weeks before the item arrived here, and he had the new sensor with its long harness installed there.

NOT solving the shifting problems......transmission stays in one gear and the Xentry read out shows : NO LIMP MODE

Back to the MB guy, he is looking for the B56/1 Relay Unit, eventual did find it at the rear SAM unit, and checking/testing all the wiring interfaces.

Everything is fine, now it is being pointed to the B56/1, maybe a defective unit.

Not to wait for a replacement unit, we removed the (working B56/1 unit) from my G500, and installed it into the problem vehicle.

Full of hope to have it all finally working again, we took the G400 back out, onto a test drive.

After just a few Meters, I knew, nothing had changed. The newly built transmission was not shifting at all.

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Posted 4/29/2020 4:08 PM
fernweh



Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

While working with the new Transfer Case, I had dismantled the old, non functional 722.638 transmission.

Identifying all the components, referencing with the EPC, I could not find a part, which was on my desk, in the EPC parts picture:

Transmission Output Shaft Speed Sensor Pulse Ring - that what I call it. It was pressed onto the Parking Lock Gear, located in the very rear of the transmission.

Knowing that there are many different 722.6 versions around, I compare the parking lock gear in the EPC with the one from my old W163 - different part#,

as the W163 did not have that output shaft sensor.

Long story now, but the light at the end of the tunnel is visible.

We removed the speed sensor from the transmission, still in the G400, Thomas pulled the plastic sleeve out of rear housing, and took some pictures with his phone.

Not a perfect camera line-up, but I knew what I saw........ NO Transmission Output Shaft Speed Sensor Pulse Ring

Just to make sure, Thomas went into town and purchased one of those inspection hole cameras, and Bingo, That Pulse Ring was not installed.

No Output Shaft speed data to the 722.6 control unit - no transmission shifting.

Update will follow.....



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Posted 4/30/2020 12:18 AM
otiswesty
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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Wow, good catch!
I was still thinking that it was the shifter.
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Posted 5/8/2020 1:13 PM
fernweh



Date registered: Apr 2006
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

We are ready, waiting for the replacement parts from Germany.......



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Posted 6/1/2020 1:55 PM
fernweh



Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany
Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa
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G400 with 722.638 Transmission back in Service Today!

Last week, we finally got the correct transmission part (Parking Lock Gear w/ Output Speed Sensor Plate) from the expert transmission builder in Germany.

We took the 722.6 transmission apart, and changed out the incorrect part installed, with the new correct part, which sits in the very rear of the transmission,

on the large output shaft, just in front of the rear roller bearing.

Last Friday, the re-assembled transmission was now installed back into the G400 again, and over the last weekend the 722.6 install was finalized.

Today in the morning we filled the transmission with the Shell 134 ATF oil, cleared all existing error codes, and went for a test drive.

Already just out of the driveway, the 722.6 transmission shifted smooth into the second gear, then into 3rd and so on......

Everything was perfect now, we are a bit more than just happy with that outcome.......

Please have a look at the attached photos:

The correct Parking Lock Gear with the attached Output Speed Sensor Plate

The incorrect Parking Lock Gear, install by the expensive expert transmission builder in Germany.....

We had sen so much information back to that expert transmission builder, the read out from 1-20-2020 with NO Output RPM showing.....

Apparently he just disregarded all the info from us novices, as he was 100% sure of his expert transmission work!

Read Out from 1-20-2020 with no Output Speed

Our todays (6-1-2020) Read Out showing now all the correct data


Trust is good, but Verification is better......



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Posted 6/1/2020 2:40 PM
otiswesty
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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Wow, Karl that is amazing work on your part. Very gratifying in the end.

Most people would have just sold the car and given up.
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Posted 6/1/2020 5:44 PM
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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Atta boy Karl. Nicely troubleshooted and resolved.
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Posted 6/3/2020 9:08 AM
Aircruiser
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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Fantastic detective work!
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Posted 6/3/2020 10:35 AM
gbenzer
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Congratulations on you tenacity and thorough, logical approach and great outcome.
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Posted 6/5/2020 12:31 PM
fernweh



Date registered: Apr 2006
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RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Thank you guys for your kind words....

The G-life continues with a hot beach day, 42C but the ocean was just wonderful....





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Posted 6/22/2020 12:32 PM
CAO

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Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible

Congratulations

Edited by CAO 6/25/2020 11:33 PM
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